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 Post Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:19 pm 
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Does any of ya guys know or use these things?? On the dyno the motor called for 40* timing. Now in my truck with the starter saver it says 36*. There is a 4* built in retard in this starter saver. The ?? is do i move the timing back to 40* or leave it where its at which is 36* ???

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The built in start retards usually are automatic when you connect the proper wire to enable them when the start button is pushed. Some swear by them, others swear at them. I've known ppl that went both ways. I don't use mine because it doesn't need it. The new bullet may be different because of the 15.3 to 1 compression but it's going to have to show me before I enable it.

Somewhere in the back of my mind I remember hearing that the built in one will retard 20* while cranking then hold that until engine RPM goes above something like 1200RPM. I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will correct me on it.

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Thats what it does is retard the timing 10 or 20*. But this has a 4* retard built into it. I checked timing tonite and i disalbed it. Timing at 40* I rehooked it up timing went down to 36*. What need to know is now do i move my timing back to 40* or leave it. Thats 58Hp on those 4*...

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Here is a part of the instecsions from msd If you like give me an e mail addy and I can send a link to you

START RETARD
The Violet wire is responsible for the Start Retard circuit. When activated, the Start Retard
function will retard the timing 10° or 25° while the engine is cranking (see Programming page
2). The retard function will only operate until the engine reaches 1,300 rpm. After 1,300 rpm
the Start Retard cannot be activated unless the key is turned Off. There are two different ways
to connect this function (Figure 11):
A. Constant 12 Volts
In this setup, whenever the ignition is
turned On, 12 volts is applied and the
retard function is activated. The retard
will be deactivated when the engine
reaches approximately 1,300 rpm and
will not occur again until the ignition is
turned Off (or if the engine drops below
400 rpm). Connect the Violet wire to a
switched 12 volt source.
B.Cranking Only
In this setup, the timing is retarded only
when the engine is cranking. Connect
the Violet wire directly to the starter
solenoid. When the key is turned to the
Crank position, 12 volts is applied to the Violet wire, activating the retard. When the key is
released, 12 volts is removed and the timing returns to your run timing.
Figure 11 Wiring the Start Retard Function.
Figure 10 Wiring an MSD 10 PLUS with a Mag Pickup.

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Sorry that didn't help =P~ . I have the cheapie little 75$ box. Have it working fine and dandy it's just the ing. timing after it's running .

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It's normal for the timing to change when you hook that box up. You need to reset it to 40 if that's what you are going to run. Somewhere in all of the MSD docs I have around here it'll tell you that. Just can't put my finger on it at the moment. But just reset it and you be fine.

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gdmii wrote:
It's normal for the timing to change when you hook that box up. You need to reset it to 40 if that's what you are going to run. Somewhere in all of the MSD docs I have around here it'll tell you that. Just can't put my finger on it at the moment. But just reset it and you be fine.

George

Yes, put one on a friends car, and that's what we had to do.


Brian, maybe you should leave your timing where it is, and give the other guys a chance!!

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Thanx guys thats what i needed to know. Leave at 36* [-X need all i can get..

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 Post Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:52 pm 
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When your engine suddenly starts to miss, start by unpluging the starter saver.
Hope you have better luck with it than several people around here.

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