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 Post subject: Daily driver
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:25 am 
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Jake was coming back from Lexington (about 75 miles) Sunday night in his 88 Olds Cutlass Ceria with a 3800. When he got to the end of the Bluegrass park way he tapped the brakes to kick the cruise off. The engine quit. It would not restart. It has spark, fuel and it cranks. He towed it to work and they pulled the plugs and did a compression test 0000's one had about 20 psi. They then pulled the pan and it had a lot of plastic and a little bit of metal.

Last night we got the front cover off and 3/4 of the teeth on the top gear was gone:icon _eek: The plastic came from the gear. I just slid the timing chain off the gear. I've never seen that before. But there is a first time for everything. We will be tearing it down to check the valves. then go from there. I'll post pictures later.

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 Post subject: Re: Daily driver
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:28 am 
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Thanks Mel. The pan is off. So basically the lack of compression could be just the position of the cam with the chain sliding on the gear. :-k :-k I didn't hink of that till now. When I put the front cover back on do I have to check clearnces on the oil pump like a LS motor? Or do I just make sure it is clocked right and tighten it up?

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 Post subject: Re: Daily driver
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That sounds like a winner then. I was thinking about backing off the rockers and pull the plugs with the chain off and crank it and see if we get any compression. that way I'll know if the valves could be a issue.

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 Post subject: Re: Daily driver
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:34 pm 
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They usually don't bend valves but I have seen it happen on one of those before. You could always just slip a new chain and gears on it and run the compression test again.

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 Post subject: Re: Daily driver
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Jake wants to pull it and pull the heads off because there are so many different answers. Ever since we had the problem with the big block he has got more cautious.

Chuck on a side note Terry Huff called and said we can put the wagon in the Carl Casper Show for the valley. \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

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I think pulling it is a lot of extra work unless you plan going all the way through it. You already have it torn down and it wouldn't take an extra 30 minutes to throw the chain on it and run the compression test. If it bent any valves it will have a low cylinder.

Have fun at the car show. A couple of people had asked me about putting the Probe in it again this year. I did enjoy it but it takes up more time than I have to spare.

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 Post subject: Re: Daily driver
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That is kind of what I wanted to do. But it will also be the first time I took one of these apart so it will be a learning experience. \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

We were suppose to be in it a couple of years ago for US60 but we know what happened there ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: Daily driver
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We got it out. Mel why didn't you tell me anout that B!tch bolt [-( [-( [-( Luckily we had the oil pan off where I could find it. :- We will tear it down next week. ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: Daily driver
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A little update. All the push rods are bent, All the exhaust valves are bent, Intakes are a little harder to tell. There are 2 new valve reliefs on the edge of all of the soup bowl pistons.

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 Post subject: Re: Daily driver
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wow.
1st one I ever heard of bending a valve.

Live & learn....


Bending "A" valve? I think he said they ALL were bent! O:) =;

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 Post subject: Re: Daily driver
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nlmsc33 wrote:
wow.
1st one I ever heard of bending a valve.

Live & learn....


Usually when they "jump" time on start up there isn't a problem. When you're cruising and they fail at speed it's another story.

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 Post subject: Re: Daily driver
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:22 pm 
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Hey Chuck,

Vin, 2G3AM5130J9840785

7/16" DIP STICK TUBE

20 BOLT HOLES

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WR169 wrote:
Hey Chuck,

Vin, 2G3AM5130J9840785

7/16" DIP STICK TUBE

20 BOLT HOLES


I think that dipstick tube should have a flare on top. So does that mean you want me to order one?

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I still need to see what Jake want's to do. I'll look at the tube myself.

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